Well r6 m4 reviews

[Major G]

Ive ordered a Well R-6 M4 AEG. I was wondering what kind of experiences other people have had with it.

[browning]

Originally posted by Major G
Ive ordered a Well R-6 M4 AEG. I was wondering what kind of experiences other people have had with it.

I think this either belongs in the LPEG section or the Newbie Questions section...

[Marxus]

Also you can check one page back in this very forum. ;)

I think I titled it "Well R6 - a newbie review" or something to that effect.

[Major G]

is that supposed to be some kind of a smart *** comment? cause im no newbie to airsoft, 3 years aint new. i have experience with a wide range of weapons. the well r-6 is great because it has 330 FPS and its cheap and very durable, my friend has one. i cant see spending 300 bucks for a tokyo. whats so special about it besides the parts that are metal? id rather spend 100 dollars on a cheaper AEG and buy 200 bucks in upgrades to make it 100% better than the tokyo. it would probably last longer too because i would get all metal internal parts, tokyo has some plastic parts on the inside. "half time score - me 3, you nothing. oh yeah!" - various Phil Hendrie characters.

[tango1]

First off the Well R-6 does not do 330 fps it is an lpeg and will get you at 250 fps at best unless you do all of the upgrades that was done to it in the above review. As for this gun being better than a marui...Definitely not. Tokyo Marui is known for its high quality guns. What is well know for? Oh yeah the cheap plastic lpegs that will last you a month if that. The well R-6 maybe good after fixing up the gearbox and replacing the stock parts. But you shoul really save yourself the trouble and get a Classic Army, Tokyo Marui or ICS. They all shoot around 300 fps stock and with a few simple upgrades such as a spring and bigger battery it will kick the fps over 300 easily. So in conclusion I am not saying that the R6 is not a "good gun" I am just saying that there are better guns out there.

[underthehill09]

Newbie review is only the title of the post, implying that a noob reviewed the gun. Hes not saying that your a noob because your reading it.

[Major G]

oh. lol

[Shogun]

You honestly think that a Well gun can possibly be better than a Tokyo Marui? I strongly dissagree. This gun is no better in any way compared to a marui. My friend got one a few years ago and I must say that my springer M92F was so much better than it. Dude, you may have been playing airsoft for a while, but if you think this gun rocks, I seriously doubt you are that experienced.

[Major G]

well, honsetly every body thinks that tokyos are so great, last i checked money didn't grow on trees. and i didn't see any in the bowl this morning either when i pulled the chain. i have a hell of a time paying car insurance let alone buying some thing that costs 300 bucks that im only going to use once every 2 weeks or so. besides, the only difference between a tokyo and the well r-6 is the plastic and the power. its plastic, so what? tokyos have plastic on them and its no less durable than a tokyo. all youd need is a new spring and motor if your lucky and it would have just as much power as a tm. and id have to be experienced to know what i just said(ahem ahem).

[tango1]

Yeah you can throw a new spring in the gun no problem...oh yeah the problem is going to arise when you destroy all of the gears in the gun because the gears are not strong enough to push the spring. Also the plastic that is used on TM is way more durable than that on the Well R-6. I know this for a fact I have held the R-6 and even tried it out in a few small games and they are not nearly as great as Well claims that they are.

[vbtb110]

330? My CA M15A4 RIS didnt even do that stock (very often).


OK, lets get this out of the way, there are different grades of plastic. Lets say Well uses grade F and TM uses grade A. Kinda like the difference between a burger you would get at McDonalds and a burger you would get at Pine Club (Local Place, really high quality stuff- and pricey too). Also, the main downfall of these Wells is that yes TM and Well both use plastic, but Wells have plastic gearboxes and Maruis have metal. Almost all of the Well is plastic (Probably the only metal parts are the barrel, spring, and the motor assy.) and Maruis have most of their plastic on the outside. And if the Well isn't a newbie gun, then why are there so many questions about it in the newbie section?

[Deamon]

Its really fast and realy strong too, pretty heavy and has some metal parts. Overall i love it cuz of teh great value.
And VtB guy the wells gearbox is all metal, ive taken it apart a thousand times. It even says it in teh description.

[Texx]

If you try to put a Well in the same Category as a Marui or try to say it is better, then you are a noob. Well's quality has improved, but their quality control has still got several years before it would even be considered remotely Marui caliber.

If you like Wells because they are cheaper, fine. A VW rabbit costs less than a Ferrari and they're both cars. But if you want to compete with other sports cars, you're gonna need a better sports car.

Well is fine for beginners and people who don't want to fork over money to buy a quality gun. But they are not the same animal nor will they ever be held in the same group.

Well is LPEG - low priced, low quality. Marui is the model from which all other AEGs are judged. If you've had 3 years of experience and don't know that yet, you're a noob. Go read your review, noob.

[Spades]

putting up a well against a TM is like putting a chawawa up against an elephant in a fight to the death!!!!! the elephant obviously being the Well!!!
<please note the sarcasm there!!>

ok, if it says well in the title, i stay away from it period, but thats just me!! i wouldn't trust any upgrades i would put into it, and i wouldn't trust the gun the last me a full event if i used it the way i use my TM and CA rifles!!!

[Marxus]

Thanks underthehill, that is what I meant. The post was titled newbie review because I am a newbie. :)

Since people actually have started discussing this gun furthur I guess I could add in some more hands on info on it. I have shot probobly around 5 thousand or more .20 bb's (high quality) through the gun now and have had absolutely no problems with it whatsoever. Not had a single jam, nothing has broken or rattled loose. The magazine feeds great and has been totally reliable. I fired it through the chrono at I-70 when I was there a few weeks ago and it surprisingly came up as 248 average. My ICS mp5 came up with 301 which was also lower than advertised but I mention it because of how close the R6 numbers were to my more expensive gun using the same chrono to compare them.

Also I would like to note that today I was at traders world and happend to look at the cheapo Well brand airsoft guns that were all over the place just out of curiosity and I gotta say after picking them up and actually holding them the R6 is in a completely different class than those cheaper Well guns. The R6 has way better construction and a much heavier feel (though still too light compared to CA or other higher quality brands).

[Major G]

thank you Marxus, my piont exactly. ok, i admit that TMs are better than Wells. but the thing is, im not a noob. noobs dont win every game they play, i do. i didnt know 3 years, 6 different guns, and taking down and putting back together a well r-6 and a TM AK-47 was considered "noob" either. besides, its not the gun, its the person right? right. i was playing 1 on 1 with my friend one day, he was using 2 METAL SIGMAS, as you know, you can fire the sigma really fast if you have a good trigger finger and the sigma has a 40 round clip, meaning that he had 80 rounds and rapid fire capability. i had an el cheapo clear plastic 40 dollar CO2 gun from walmart with 17 rounds that wouldnt fire any faster than i can rip off farts. yet, i beat him in 5 out of 5 roulds, 15 minitues each. its called EXPERIENCE, and i have it. dont think so, well give me your address and phone number and we'll set up a time for you to lose to me. noob? i think not.

[Major G]

my man is right too, the gear box is metal, it is in the discription. and on my friends stock well r-6 even the gears are metal. you call me a noob? i call you a noob. research the subject or at least know something about it before you make a comment. especially to some one who has one. i got it today. i mutulated a pop can, the BBs went through the metal, they didnt bounce off. if youve seen my video on you tube, people didnt know what they were talking about. the videos name is airsoft style. people thought that it was only 1 styro foam cup i was shooting when in fact it was 3 stacked inside of each other. the bbs were going in one side and out the other, so in fact they were going through 6 layers, not 3, or 1 like so many thought. you just cant tell in the video. any ways,

when the slide is open, the gears are silver, when its cold outside theyre really cold, and when you tap them with a screw driver they go "ting ting", sounds like metal to me.

[Shogun]

Dude, you just sound like an idiot. No matter how much "experience" you think you have, you still act like a noob. You may not be new to the sport, but you act like you know everything, and obviously, no one can change your mind about that. You will just keep standing by your cheap gun and calling everyone else here a noob. Just because you won a few 1v1 matches against some other fellow noob doesn't automatically make you an experienced player.

[Major G]

i know everything? wow, man, i didnt know that, i know i didnt say that. a few 1v1? no, more like a **** load 1v1 and about 20 or 30 10 v 10, at least. yeah, i am standing by my cheap gun, but i did admit that TMs are better than the well didnt i?

[Major G]

also, vbtb110? what the hell is a "newbie" gun?

[Texx]

Originally posted by Major G
also, vbtb110? what the hell is a "newbie" gun?

A "Newbie gun" is a gun that most beginners flock to before they have enough experience or have done enough research to know they won't do them as much good as they thought they would.

Sniper rifles are an excellent example. Roughly 80% of airsofters come into the hobby assuming they can pick up a sniper rifle and pwn the field. Experience will change their mind. Most beginners (newbs) have neither the skill or patience to snipe.

Another good example is anytime a new AEG comes out after the newb wets themselves to get it. THis is a good thing, because 6 months later, they sell it for $200 (or less) after it had been used in one skirmish.

The worst example of a Newb gun is buying a MP5K and trying to mod it into a "l337 Sniper rifle."

[browning]

Major G, stop being such a smart a$$. Apparently you are a noob if you can't even spell or make complete sentences. I suggest you save your money and purchase a Meriam-Webster's dictionary.

I'm not sure how you get this ego that you are an "experienced" airsofter just because you've played in twenty or thirty one on one games or a few ten on ten games. Experience is playing with the veteran crowd and learning the ropes from them and playing in larger games that actually require tactics, not a backyard game where you and your friend have your "u83r l337 cy83rguns" that shoot like turds. I am offended at how you make snide remarks at comments posted by the true experienced airsofters on this site. I am also offended at the fact that you sent me a PM arguing that the Well is not an LPEG when in fact you did not read Loki's sticky at the top of the LPEG section which states that Lorcen-Well and Cyma and UTG are all in fact LPEGs.

From what I can see is that you have broken forum rules #1 and #5, so I suggest you go look at the Forum Rules and Guidelines before you post anymore degrading comments.

[vbtb110]

http://www.007airsoft.com/products/product-images/11031d.jpg

http://www.thefiringpin.com/images/air%20soft/MP5A5-2.jpg

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/reviews/ics_mp5a4/photos/icsmp5a4-role-sniper.jpg


*sigh*

:rolleyes: ;)

[Major G]

thanks texx, for explaining that to me, now i understand. hey browning? where did i make mispellings? doesnt every one? i reread all the stuff i type and there arent any mispellings. what correlation is there between airsoft and spelling abilities? can you even pronounce correlation? and not capitalizing my i's is not mispelling. and isnt 20 people a large game? my team owns three fields with at least 6 acres each. thats one hell of a big backyard dude. cyber guns? well, lets see, im the one with the cheapest gun, the well. every one on my team has at least a metal sigma, and im one of the best players on my team. dont believe me? ill give you the names of the people who are on my team that are on this website. anyways, any company could make an LPEG and a high quality AEG. why couldnt well do the same? also there are only 4 forum rules, not 5. i swear to a sweet feathery jesus that someone else made degrading comments about me before i ripped them a new one. why dont you read the freakin messages before you open the sewer hole under your nose. offended? how many years have you been playing airsoft? and the veteran crowd? there sure isnt anyone within 50 miles of where i live thats played for more than at least 6 years or so. besides, what do you consider "veteran"?

Saying that the Well only makes LPEGs is like saying that Colt only makes pistols, not true. Colt was the first to make the M-16 during the Vietnam war.

and vbtb110, what did you post those pics for?

[vbtb110]

Originally posted by Texx

The worst example of a Newb gun is buying a MP5K and trying to mod it into a "l337 Sniper rifle."

Hence me showing MP5 snipers. browning is referring to the "ne1", and the lack of punctuation. That isn't very highly regarded here.

[tango1]

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umm that looks like 12 rules to me you really have a bad attitude on this forum, oh and again no matter what gun comes out of the bowls of the cyma/ well corporation is most definitely and lpeg. This has turned into more of an arguement than a discussion about a gun. Any moderators around to help me out?

[Kurt Klaus]

Here’s my two cents:

Wells R series are great LPEG or "affordable AEGs"... for there price... but there is no way in hell you can try to compare it, even upgrading it serves no purpose but show ignorance/arrogance. It is like putting on spinners and fins on a Volkswagen and getting a flaming paint job and try to drag with a Mustang ( <3 Mustangs ) ... it wont happen. I hate people who are like that on the highway... cut off mufflers, paintjob on a car that has seen dozens of wrecks blah blah blah... sorry back on point.

Now don’t get me wrong, Wells is ok in small skirmishes and games where you might stand a chance but your still at a slight disadvantage. In large events and/or MILSIM you will be disappointed.

I used to think like you. Buy a cheap gun and upgrade it. I was a noob, actually I should say I still am a noob for I still have mine but getting a TM soon, but after I started thinking, "huh maybe I should thinking smart about this and educate myself on this new hobby before I get into it." I spent weeks studying, reading, etc on airsoft (sad I know). All I have to say, by the way you post and the way you defend yourself your more a noob than I am. Grammar wise… come on man there is a spell checker, use correct punctuation, capitalize Is and first words. You want to make yourself look like you actually care and not look lazy. Do/Will you do this on resumes? Try to make yourself look good, after all many people will be reading your posts and from that judge your character.

If you want to keep trucking with that R6... go ahead no one is stopping you but don’t be crying (metaphorically) because we told you so.

PS: I am not offending anybody I hope. Comment all you like. Trying to act cool and nice here after my latest fiascos hehehe… -_-

EDIT - I know that in real life, real steel weapons you could never make a HK MP5 into a sniper, but in airsoft isnt the bounds different? I mean caliber size (the universal 6mm or 8mm), barrels, etc. isnt the limits more flexible to create your dream gun?

I understand you may consider people being noob for the first gun you want to be a sniper or sniperish (is that a word?) but there are also those occasional few that may have the sniper HK and do extremly well. I have seen many experienced players have so called HK sniper... does that consider them noobs or is there an exception. My theory is that the definition of noob/newb in airsoft is and will never actually be defined (as the original term spawned for a different reason, game, etc) and there are always exceptions.

I dont want to start anything but I do relize the bounds of airsoft is more flexible to allow things you could really never see on reel steel and I do not see anything potentially wrong except for MILSIM events.

I also would like moderators involved and perhapes get locked or deleted. There is of course the voting moderation thingy that anyone be apart of... ya thats sounds wierd to me too.

[vbtb110]

Its possible, but its frowned upon because A) In real life 9 mm wouldnt be a very good sniping round (read:sniping with a Glock :rolleyes:)

I guess its all about how you approach airsoft. Do you approach it as "I want to be realistic" or "I want to make any gun". Most people fo for the first, but there is the rare few that do that type of thing. So it is possible in airsoft, but I sure as hell wouldnt respect you or treat you as a sniper (in airsoft)

[browning]

MP5s will never be considered a sniper rifle in terms of "real steel." Sure it may be one of the most accurate (in terms of "real steel") machine pistols on the market, but the effective range of a pistol round is very low. Fact is the Milsim crowd will never accept the "MP5 Sniper" as an actual sniper rifle because it doesn't exist, and the noobie crowd will always think they are "u83r l337" with their MP5 Sniper.

This thread has gone downhill and needs to be locked. I am frankly tired of reading through the disrespectful garbage that Major G has been posting, and in my book any thread where the thread starter is being disrespectful to those trying to add anything to his thread shouldn't be allowed to keep the thread going.

[Major G]

Guess again browning, your the a$$ hole that keeps this going! I wasn't the first to put the "garbage" on this thread, every one else was!! You really think I'm the only one making demeaning, degrading, and snide comments and remarks? If you do, I suggest you call this number, 1-800-PRESCHOOL. Thank you, and good night.

Sup my people, I have one last thing to say. Hear me out, let me make my piont before you go and call me names again. Oh, and browning, yeah I did send you a PM saying that the Well R-6 is not an LPEG because I still don't think it is. Every airsoft website that carries it has it under thier "Full size electric guns" section or something similar. Does it look like i care what "Loki" says? You said that the Well IS an LPEG because well technically it can't take this and it can't do that and it can't roll over and play dead. Well, technically, you don't have the right to post on this thread because, well, you have no idea what I'M talking about. By the way, I just used the Spell Checker, its stupid. It highlighted the word that was wrong and it had the word corrected the exact same way I had spelled it in the first place.

1. The reason I started this thread was to see if I could get any useful advice or tips from anyone who may have already upgraded the Well R-6 and to get thier overall opinion of the gun so I could properly upgrade mine. And guess what I got, nothing but sheer crap in the face. And I know not all of you were like that either, to those select few who at least UNDERSTOOD the piont i was trying to make or helped me prove my piont, thank you.

2. Really browning? I've violated a rule? Well why don't you go and whine about it to the people before me who made smart a$$ comments and snide remarks. I wasn't the first person to do it, thats how this whole epidemic got started. Oh, well, your noob this and noob that. I never started this thread with the intention of defending myself. I've explained my reasoning and pionts in simple and clear detail, using examples, everyone whos called me names hasn't given any reasoning or explanation why.

3.If someone made degrading and snide remarks about you/to you, wouldn't you fight back? I don't think I'm being unhuman by doing so.

4. Really, I'M not even being degrading, I'm just proving my piont. Is that against the law?

5. What kind of "ego" do you really think I have? All I'm doing is proving that I have the experience because I have "cannons to the right of me! cannons to the left of me!" saying that I don't.

6. I said it before and I'll say it agian, not to mention any names (Kurt Klaus), its not about the gun, its about the person. I don't need a Tokyo to be good, thats why I'm not buying one, don't have one, and also why I ordered the Well. Half of my team already has a TM or Classic Army or something similar, if I needed to keep up with them to beat them when we play don't you think I would've ordered a Tokyo or something similar instead of a freaking Well R-6?

7. Also, I'm no more of a "noob" to airsoft than my Korean War veteran Grandpa is a "noob" to the atrocities of war.

8.Is everyone so uptight and politically correct that they have to be perfect on a CASUAL airsoft forum too?

9. Oh, look I almost forgot something. Thanks a whole lot to the swill who have littered this thread with some of the trash and filth thats on here, especially the ones that started this whole epidemic. It turns out that some people on this site ore out to just call people "noobs" and "boobs" and christ knows what else . . . and understand absolutly nothing about what I'm talking about. Only a select few though, most of whom have left replys on this thread and sent messages to me about this thread. For those of you who at least understand what I'm talking about, thank you, god bless you all.
And to the rest of you: "You guys can go pound sand down a rat hole all I care about. I'm 'a go get myself a corn dog or somethn'." - Harvey Wireman after he rode the space ride at Disney and sounded Chinese. The Phil Hendrie Show

I came to this site looking for friendly help and advice . . . and all I got was fecal matter in the face. I know it's cold and all, but it's the truth. I only want the truth and I only give the truth - excuse me for being myself.

"Hall, out!" - David G. Hall, Vice President of sindication, The Phil Hendrie Show.

[browning]

Originally posted by Major G
Oh, and browning, yeah I did send you a PM saying that the Well R-6 is not an LPEG because I still don't think it is.

LPEG=Low-Priced Electric Gun

What did your Well cost? $100? That's low priced. A true AEG cost $200+ and can take aftermarket parts made for Tokyo Marui, Classic Army, and ICS AEGs.

You can think what you want, but fact is it's an LPEG.

Browning out.

[vbtb110]

LPEGs are often full sized, hence them being listed under the fullo sized area. If you want to take your chances and buy and try and compete with an LPEG, more power to you. Also, it would be smart to respect the members here, and not to say stuff like "I dont care what the hell Loki says", as he can ban you. Thats not the smartest thing to do that to not only us but MODs and ADMINs as well.

[Locutus]

I've seen enough.

Goodbye Major G.

[Locutus]

Originally posted by Spades
first off, you said you used the spell check??? really??? how come you misspelled point like five times????? you spelled it piont. also anything with the name WELL on it is going to be LPEG, even if it is in the full sized aeg section of any web site. and i think he should be banned for being really disrespectful to just about everyone on here

Perhaps you would like to be next?

[underthehill09]

Hall of infamy anyone?

[tango1]

This definitely has my vote for the hall of infamy. It was a very entertaining thread.

[Thatfatmacdude]

I have been in Ohio for about 3 hours, and this thread got my attention. I would rename this thread "How to get yourself banned in AO" and throw it in the new member section.

[lt. blinky]

dude. that was crazy. Thank you for banning him.

[browning]

Yes thank you for banning him :D. This thread has my vote for the Hall of Infamy or a sticky at the top of the newbie section.

[Red]

Originally posted by browning
Yes thank you for banning him :D. This thread has my vote for the Hall of Infamy or a sticky at the top of the newbie section.

Agreed. ;)

[Shifty]

Hall of infamy status granted. Oh, and in case any of you gentlemen would like to contact this nice individual, his email address is:

warbuff0223@hotmail.com

His teams' email is:
TheAirsoftArmy@hotmail.com


Here are some videos of he and his friends doing stupid things to each other. (Like shooting guns int he vicinity of people without eye protection on)
http://www.theairsoftarmy.com/taamedia.htm

His homepage is listed in his profile, and his name is listed on his site. Pretty ballsy for a 13 year old if I do say so myself.