Operation: Northern Wind 3 - Survey

[nextmayor]

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All:

Just got off the phone with John Lu (organizer of Lion Claws, Irene, Hac Boa, Northern Wind, Night Scorpion, and Southern Belle). John wants to continue OPNW (South West Ohio, USA), but has not been able to secure a higher profile AO for OPNW3.

He asked me to get some feel about interest in Operation: Northern Wind 3. While nothing is set in stone, John asked me to relay some ideas he's had about OPNW3 and to see what the interest level is. So here are some rough ideas that John Lu is considering.

NAME: Operation: Northern Wind 3

LOCATION:
Enon / Springfield, Ohio, USA (aka The Strikers Field) - However John Lu would like to utilize the entire field and not just the half we are accustomed to playing on. Here's a map of the entire field.

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Additionally, here are some pics of the field.
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DATE:
August 2006 (Friday-Sunday)

PRICE:
Affordable (for a 3 day Lion Claws event), somewhere around $80 - $100.

AGE:
16 years of age and older. Minor waiver required for those under 18.

UNIFORMS:
Fox Company - US Woodland BDU's
Echo Company - Green Tiger Stripe
Contractors - PMC / Civilian Contractor Look

COMMANDERS:
Fox Company
Msgt. Howard "Mad Max" Mullen, US Army Ranger (Ret.)
Echo Company
Col. Paul Longgrear, US Army, Special Forces (Ret.)
Contractors
Major Tom, US Army, 1st SFOD-D, aka Delta Force (Ret.)

MISSIONS:
Not too much info on the missions and scenarios yet, but John did inform me to to expect some major changes from past OPNW's. Best of all no chickens.

Like I said, John is looking to keep OPNW in Ohio, but is just trying to gauge interest based on the info provided above. A nice side benefit of attending this event, is that you would be considered a Lion Claws Veteran and qualify for early registration for the highly anticipated, OP: IRENE 4! Attending this event MIGHT make it easier for you to secure a slot at the nations premier airsoft event.

While I did not attend OPNW 1, I did attend OPNW 2. IMO, this was one of the best field games I've ever attended. The AO is one of the most challenging that I have ever had the opportunity to play on. It's got everything from mountainous hills, steep cliffs, streams, dense woods, and open fields. This AO will definite beat you up and push you to your limits. Col. Longgrear and Msgt. Mullen are also true heroes. While I do not know the Col. very well, the Msgt. is a real leader and has a great passion for airsoft.

Personally, I know that Team TAC and I will be making the road trip back down to Enon to play in another great OPNW. John Lu is just wondering about the rest of you. Let's do what we can to keep this high profile national event here in Ohio where it belongs.

Please post your comments, questions, and concerns and let's see what John Lu can come up with.

[Decoy]

I don't want to be perceived as too negative here but...
Northern Wind 2 was billeted as different than Northern Wind 1 (I was at both), it wasn't until after registration was closed that it turned out to be the EXACT same scenarios as before. While that isn't that big of a deal, why pay $80-$100 two years in a row for a game that didn't feel like it was worth $80-$100. The rules from John Lu were an end all set of rules used at all of his games, which include rules that implied that vehicles would be used...which were not. The "special props" that were used to get people to register included the ammo crate (the exact ones the Strikers used earlier at Blind Fury), a cage for hostages, and a bunch of squaking chickens that most of which did not work.

At Irene 3 the rules concerning M203s were changed the morning of, making several people feel like they wasted a lot of money on equipment that served little to no use.

I'm not saying I won't go, but I'd have to think long and hard about going to any of his events (except Irene) due to the costs/benfits of attending.

I'd be more willing to attend if:
-The rules were thought out in advance, not staple rules for all of his games, that wouldn't change the day of.
-The scenarios were drastically different
-No more 30min+ pat ourselves on the backs while standing in formation (brutal at Irene)

[nextmayor]

D:

I hear you on the missions and have heard the same from other players. So has John Lu. With the addition of a larger 3rd force (not really the Shadow Squad that we've seen at other events), John is coming up with other missions and idea. The only thing that I talked to him about were the chickens and his response was, "I think the chickens are dead." Only time will tell what the missions are, but John seems to be thinking differently this year.

[Hillslam]

Since I'm still a newb, regardless of the props, field, or the missions - I'll be all over NW3 like stink on a latrine.

So tally me in the INTERESTED, YES column.

[HardLock]

I don't know what or who John has been talking to, but there are several issues he needs to take into account if he wants to use the WHOLE Enon field for NW3. Only Blade and I know the details and to best of my knowledge John hasn't talked to either of us yet.

PS: the map shown above is NOT the whole field. There is significant amount further to West.

[nextmayor]

Hardlock:

You, Blade, or Punisher might need to talk to John then. I talked to him about this today and he asked me to get a feel for the interest level. He made it seem like he had talked to one of you about this possibility already, and I was just doing John a favor. Additionally, does John have any idea how big the field really is? I know that I didn't know it went further to the west.

UPDATE:
Just talked to John and he is already aware of the issues with the whole field. Apparently he's already talked to someone down there about this issue and is going to have more conversations about it in the weeks to come.

Additionally is the map any closer to the whole field now?

[sniper5990]

I will definately go, also have about 3 others interested!

[monkey_slap]

$80-$100 for playing at the Enon field? i understand that its a 3 day thing, but i know weve discussed this before with blade and i still feel the same. ive played there before, i know the area, and unless there is some extras added (ie. vehicles, props, actors) it would just seem like another game at Enon. now id have to give it a sit down because i was unaware that it is a 3 day event, but still, i would like to know more before i can cast my "yes" ballot. for now, unfortunately, im going to have to be a "no".

[Thatfatmacdude]

Three things are stoping me from goin,

1. Cost- just a little high at the moment

2. When is the exact date? The begining of the month, or at the end of the month?

3. Like what monkey slap said, we need to have charachters, props, whatever. Because with out them, it would just seem like a three day game at Enon.

On a side note: How many attended last years game? Also the very young child in me wants to know if there will be drawings, raffles ect.

[Puma]

I will be there if the date is right.

[Glaeken]

There are times that I'm annoyed by certain comments made by Ohio players concerning these events.
Let me try and give you some insight about these subjects.


First, and foremost, is the debate/argument/whining/misunderstanding about the cost for events in general and BestofUSA Marketing events in particular.
Costs are a fact of life.
Certainly so for events that are coordinated in California and then hosted across the country.
Consider the costs that go into securing the event site, travel to and from proposed sites, securing 'high-profile' leadership [Col. McKnight, Col. Longgrear, MSG Mullen, etc], and the eventual 'housing' of those involved.
That is just naming a few of the costs involved.
Given the depth of project and the eventual turn-out [paying players], it's hard-pressed to imagine breaking even.

Do these things even enter your mind? It seems that you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. At times it seems you don't even care to know or bother to educate yourselves.
Stop taking so many things for granted!


Second, the constant demand for bigger and better "things" [props, explosions, realistic wounding effects with real blood splatter, etc] is starting to push the concept over the edge.
Sure it's nice to have all those things and to have something tangible to enhance the experience. But, to what end are you demanding?
Again, see the above cost paragraph. Adding additional items will only tend to increase the eventual costs.
Try to understand the countless man-hours that are used in preparing the event site for play, obtaining 'props', constructing 'props', deciding on 'props', and then cleaning all of it up after the event.
Weighing the cost -vs- application -vs- complexity degree -vs- scenario compatibility -vs- time constraints, is a monumental task.


I could go on but I'll try to sum this up quickly.

It's time for us, as players, to start thinking of these things and consider the 'behind-the-scenes' before we hastily pass judgement on an event.
One of the biggest reasons for considering NW3 to be held at a different location is because of the low turn-out here in Ohio.
And why was that?
Low turn-out, poor player attitude, and seeming disinterest, were probable (and likely) reasons for discussing a possible change-of-venue.
Probably for many reasons, but we Ohio players need to step-up and show that these 'high-profile' events deserve to be held in Ohio.
So, stop whining about petty details.
Take pride in the fact that some folks took it upon themselves to suggest Ohio, and the Enon field in particular, as a national event venue.
So what if you've played at the field fifty times. It's the experience of the 'ambiance' that makes for a great time.

Consider the opportunity you're getting. How often do you have the honor and privilege to fight alongside of, and be commanded by, some of the finest men this county has to offer.
These men can say "Been there, done that!".
These men are regular people (in real-life) but because of their integrity, devotion, courage, honor, abilities,and values, have consequently set themselves apart from the 'average Joe'.
These men give of themselves to do this.

Read that sentence again if the severity of it didn't sink in the first time.
They don't 'have to' give what they give when they come to these events.
Don't be so selfish in thinking that you are entitled to be in there presence. Your admission fee only grants you the opportunity. It's up to you to show that you deserve it by acting with honor, integrity, and maturity.

What really irks me is that you are offered the opportunity to participate in the sport with these men, and yet you still complain about the costs, etc.
Going to a football (or any other 'professional' sport) game costs at least as much as these events. And, you don't get to participate...other than cheering or jeering.
In addition, those overpaid athletes don't teach you anything.
Think of the priceless training and instruction you gain by merely attending these events. That alone is worth the cost of admission.
Can't you see that? If not, then open your eyes!



Now, I understand that everyone has their own views about different things.
I also understand that it's possible to view things from different angles if you apply yourself. Try it, you'll be happy with the result.

This brings me to some specifics:

The Chicken Issue.
If you failed to realize the significance of the chickens I feel sorry for you. Because you missed out on the whole point of the exercise.
There is/was more to it than met the eye.
You see, under-developed countries have a completely different economic base than we have here in the US.
While we take paper money for granted and know the value is secure, other countries and cultures don't have that luxury.
Therefore, what we value (money) they see as nothing more than useless paper.
What is left for them to use? What can they consider useful and valued?
Livestock!
Chickens are in that category. Cows, goats, sheep, etc. wasn't a viable option for both logistic and scenario considerations.

If you'll remember, we had a tribal chieftain (Punisher at NW and Col. Longgrear at Irene II) that valued little else but chickens as, not only a food item for his people but, a valuable commodity he could utilize as a trade-good.
Chickens became a vital part of the scenario. Without them little could be gained from the chieftain. He couldn't help you. He didn't need you bothering him. You weren't helping him.
That is where the chickens came into play. Not just any chicken, either. It had to be live to be of any use.
That is why the battery-operated chickens were perfect. If the battery died or the 'clucker' didn't work you were in trouble.
Plus, the 'clucker' had the added effect of it potentially compromising your position. Special care had to be taken to maintain operational security (a demand of military simulation) while transporting.

I think, because of this, that the chickens were a perfect idea.
They gave the scenario a real purpose and required us to demand more of ourselves than usual. I, personally, will miss the chickens as I feel they served a unique purpose and held a complex concept disguised within their simplicity.
If you can't immerse yourself into the spirit of the game and see things for more than what they 'appear' to be (ie: the chickens), then you're missing out on the true value of the admission cost.

A pet peeve of mine is the seeming 'demand' for a raffle.
Remember, this is a privilege and not a requirement.

Also, the formation stipulation is there to demonstrate our gratitude and respect for the leadership VIPs. Again, they are giving of themselves to do this, the least we can do is show our appreciation. Show some respect because they have definitely earned it.
This is mil-sim, after all, and the 30 or so minutes spent in formation is NOTHING compared to real-world.
Don't believe me? Ask those that have spent time 'being there and doing that'!



Keep in mind that if the amount of players supporting...I mean REALLY supporting by paying and attending....NW3 does not increase over previous NW events, the likelihood of having NW3+ in Ohio (or the Enon field) is not good.
(I'm not affiliated with BestofUSA Marketing and can't honestly make that decision, but logically it represents a potentially viable condition.)

Lend a hand in supporting NW and keeping it in Ohio.
Stand up and be counted.
The Enon field is undergoing some changes and is not exactly the 'same' field on which you've played in the past. Consider that when deciding on whether or not you're getting your money's worth.
Tents and tarps are a thing of the past. ;)

[monkey_slap]

price is not an issue to me. i have no problem shelling out $150+ for Irene IV at all. Why? Because I've heard and seen such great things about it. It's the same with Lion Claws. 7000 acres of land, 450+ players. But what have I heard about NWIII that intrigues me? What is there that makes it special? Sure its a John Lu event, but does that mean that I should pay the money and go? I personally don't think so. All I want is a little backbone for me to actually want to attend. From what I've seen it's only being advertised as a John Lu event. Even past NW vets haven't told me great things about the series. So prove it to me!

:D

[Decoy]

Oopps, double post.

[Decoy]

Glaeken,
I'm sure you and I understand each other quite a bit on this subject, but your responses warrant new responses from the "other-side", me.

After looking at the behind the scenes cost after Northern Wind I, as per the implied props and the failure of the chickens to work, and a few other things I wasnt sure it would be worth going to NW2. NW2 rolls around and I figure, hell I'll give it another go. What I expected and what I got were two different things. Here it is we're "paying" for the same props we "payed" for the previous year (although they did work this year). I had no problem with the chicken scenario, because I do see the real-world application of that mission, other than it was teh SAME scenario. All of the scenarios were the same. If I had a hard time coming back after the first one, and nothing really changed after the second, why would people in my shoes come to a third?

The price doesn't stop me from going. But when I am asked to pay $X for a product that doesn't function properly, or isnt what is advertised, I have a hard time paying $X again for the same thing. I've organized an event before, I know the man hours behind the scenes. But when you use the same props and scenarios from one year to the next, you've just cut down your material costs and your man-hours ;).

If the scenarios really changed at NW2 from NW, I wouldn't be making a big deal here about it.

The problem isn't the vets (not entirely true ;) ). Actions need to be taken to try to get new people out there. NW's turnout in the previous years has been hampered by having Irene close datewise. People that would normally travel to support John Lu games try to save their money for the much better Irene op.

Of course another reason I'm not sure about this year, last year I had two teammates get injured...with one receiving ill-timed unappropriate remarks from a long time John Lu event supporter.

[kwjdklf]

As for extra VIP this year Major Tom Greer is a retired Delta Force.

Also as Nextmayor already said the scenatios will be completely different now that we would have 3 different teams and no Shadow.

And if you plan on not gong to OPNW3 because you want to go to OPI4 then you may want to rethink this through. OPI4 will have the same restriction as last year for the amount of players allowed so not everyone will be able to join. Unfortunately you may not know if you can go to OPI4 until after OPNW3 has been played.

[Glaeken]

Punisher has made some good points.;)
It's always wise to take his advise.


As stated, NW3 will have new scenarios ... not likely to involve chickens.
It's obvious that the concerns over re-run scenarios have been addressed.
The addition of Major Tom should be all the more reason to attend.
His 'third force' should make for some interesting interactions. Third forces always change the dynamic of the operation and require players to think in terms other than simple 'force on force' application of their combat potential.

The Enon field, if the event is held there, has undergone some changes. While I'm not disposed to speak specifically about what they are until after Blind Fury, I can say that they will add something 'permanent' and useful to multiple scenario possibilities.


As far as "proving it", come on out and see for yourself. I'll let the field, scenarios, and leadership, speak for themselves.


Scheduling will always be a difficult factor. I'll give you that.
Deciding on which games to attend makes for some tough calls.


Decoy, you and I do usually understand one another even when we disagree. Know that I wasn't attacking you personally with my statements, but wanted to address some of the concerns you mentioned. I worded my post to reflect my intention to speak to a large audience. Those that have attended in the past and especially those that were not able to attend.
I went into detail about certain things to give a 'big picture' view for those that only heard about them second hand.
Incidently, if anyone missed seeing someone giving 'mouth-to-mouth' to a chicken, while another was sacrificing their radio batteries to revive it, you missed a uniquely odd and hilarious situation. :D


It was indeed unfortunate about the injuries sustained by your teammates. Even more disturbing was that verbal interaction you mentioned.
I would like to point out that immediate EMT aid was applied by Aegis as soon as we were made aware of the situation. He and Tick ran all the way uphill when they got the radio call.



It's going to be a great OP. I'd hate to see you miss it.

[Decoy]

Glaeken,
I think you and I are too much alike...trying to provide a lot of information to support our points regardless if attacked or not (I never thought you 'attacked' my stance, but there are those out there that don't know us).

Aegis and Tick, and the medical response on the first injury, great job. We appreciate it!

I still have to think about whether I'll go or not, but I doubt I can convince many people on my team to go given the past two Northern Winds.

I will say that if you havent been to an LC game before, and want to go to Irene...go to Northern Wind. As stated by others, it will give you veteran status (cheaper) and will allow you the opportunity to register for Irene before non-veterans, if the process this year will be the same as last year.

[Grease Man]

I do hope there is a NW this year, I had a good time last year.

I am in.

[ilvfly]

im with hillslam on this one i may be a noob but to be around people like the VIPs that were coming is something i would be honored to be with.. shoot im honored to be around the damn strikers... anyway i think everyone should be pretty proud to have an event of this caliber in the state of ohio... if they decided the olympics here would you whine about the cost? i think not... anyway count me in i would gladly go and pay.. as long as its not too late... going to basic at the end of the summer.. but i would be there in a heartbeat... punisher i agree with everything you said... ;)


HOOT

[Nosebuckle]

The privilage to work with the aforementioned heroes is easily worth more than the price of admission. I don't think last years NW2 should be used much in factoring your decision to go. It was rather haphazard since John fell ill in the days before the event and was not even there! I still had a great time though and would love to see NW3 in Ohio. It can't get much better than having a LC event in Ohio!

[Lt.goose]

again if and when OPNW3 is a go ill be there on fox once again

[Violator]

I'm in the same boat here at Decoy and monkey slap. I don't think anybody anywhere on this post can compare a Northern Wind event to an Irene event. They're just totally different. The only thing they have in common is the event organizer, John Lu. In my humble opinion, Springfield is nothing more than a patch of woods with some steep hills and a muddy creek through the middle of it all. How can you possibly compare that to Ft. Knox, or some of the other places these massive events are held? You can't! And that's one of the reasons why I, and possibly other airsofters, have a hard time finding this event an attractive one, given the cost, and the lack of truly unique and exciting scenarios.

Now I know that NWIII has been re-branded and re-labeled as and all new and different game (at least according to the posts above). However, like Decoy, I find the claims to be a bit hollow. Its the bottom of the 9th, the score is tied and with 2 strikes against Northern Wind already (based on past iterations), I fear I'll be a tough one to convince.

Sadly, so far the only good argument for this event has been "You get to play with these American Soldiers - (insert names here)." Thats great, but it sounds like the only perk so far for dishing out $100 bucks. You can get that at any other John Lu event for the same money (or in the case of Irene, a bit more), plus cool props and unique scenarios. I'd like to also mention that this isn't about the money for me. I can afford to pay $100 for an event every once in awhile (this post is, after all, being written by somebody who has dumped nearly two grand into one gun). I agree with Decoy that if you guys can get a bunch of stuff out ahead of time that actually shows people what is different about the event, it might become more attractive. I just don't feel theres much you can do with the field. I think you guys need to find another location in Ohio. We've all been there and done that with Springfield.

Before I finish my post, I'd also like to address several of Glaekens points. Though I have always highly respected your posts Glaeken, and continue to respect you on and off the field, I feel that I don't agree with the spin you have put on some points raised above.

When you talk about the 'Behind The Scenes' stuff that goes on for an event, I would respectfully point out that it doesn't appear there was much of that done for NWII. Exact same scenarios and props spells an easy moneymaker for John Lu. It seems obvious none of the hardcore preparation with which you justify the high cost of the event went into last years game. When players later complained about it, you shrug off the complaints as "whining about petty details" in your post above. When you have a significant number of people complaining about something, no matter how small the detail, I consider that to be a large problem, not a "petty" one.

I think you also overemphasize the value of the ''opportunity" to play with the US Soldiers that headline the event in an attempt to focus attention away from the mediocre field and past scenarios that have plagued Northern Wind events. It's great that those guys are there, it certainly makes the event alot more fun. However, when a player signs up for an event he is paying for that. But not only is he paying for the soldiers and their travel, etc, he is paying for a good event to go along with those players. I think most airsoft players EXPECT certain things from so-called high-level events. Operation Irene IV is a good example of someone getting their money's worth. I don't think Northern Wind has that reputation yet.

If you guys can somehow find a way to make Springfield an all new and exciting place to play, then I think you can be successful. But I don't think new scenarios in the same old set of woods will do it. There needs to be a drastic change.

Please understand this post was written with the object of expessing my opinion on the Northern Wind events only. No flames intended. I'm just trying to call it like I see it. If you truly want Ohio airsoft players to attend the events you have to listen to and address their concerns, and hopefully this post has helped do that.

In closing, I wouldn't mind if Northern Wind III was back. I might even go if just to get my Irene ticket. But then again, I might not. I'd like to see some more information about the event before I make any decisions.

- VioLator

[strikers_blade]

No matter where you play, one day or another, players will want something new, which is the great thing with paintball; There are a ton of field and you can technically try a new field every weekend of the year.

John told us too many times alreay; Those thinking the "irene" type of event should be the standard, are fooling themselve because Irene is in fact a darn miracle and it might not last very long. so yeh, we might have to go back to the ordinary field sooner than we all think.....just remember this before saying what worth what money.

Ps. I am attending Lion Claw 5 this weekend. It will have cost me 500$ for a flat terrain with nothing more than 599 other players to share the field with me.....does the field worth the trip? heck no. Does the people worth the trip, heck yeah!...even if I am sure to cross few a$$es...

[monkey_slap]

in fact, ive heard irene IV may not be at zussman this year. but hopefully thats just a whim of a rumor.

i just think that the "lion claws of ohio" should be just like that. time takin to prepare, and well organized. ive heard great things about john lu and i think that if we can get some info that really gives NWIII backbone, i would attend.

[nextmayor]

To start with, OPNW has never been compared to OPI. I've been to all 3 Irene's and the first one was at a paintball field. I can personally say that OPNW 2 was a whole lot better than OPI 1. Additionally, OPNW cost a little over 1/2 of what OPI costs, so of course it's not the same event.

As for getting more details on OPNW 3, that's what this thread is about. John Lu is only going to invest more time in OPNW 3 if there is a market for it. If there's no interest, he's probably not going to waste his time.

The only thing I can say about the missions is that I've know John Lu for 3 years now and talk to him every month. I personally enjoy his events and will continue to attend them. John has also followed thru on everything he's ever told me. If he tells me something is going to change you can count on it.

I wasn't at OPNW 1 so I personally wasn't aware about the duplication of missions. In regard to the chickens, I presonally didn't have an issue with the concept, but the implementation. However, like I said, I presonally had very good time at OPNW 2 and hope their is a OPNW 3.

Good or bad, opinions are needed and are the only way John can gauge the interest level. If it's (interest level) just not there, he'll move on. If it is there, he'll do what he can to put on a solid event.

In closing I wanted to comment on the "I've played in Springfield before" comments. I personally was lucky enough to have played (and been invited back) paintball against real military units at the Zussman Urban Combat Training Center (location of Irene) for free. IMO, that doesn't mean that Irene isn't worth the money, it's just different. IMO, $50 for Blind Fury is worth, while at the same time $80 - $100 for OPNW is also worth it.

[Steamer]

NW2 for me was one of my favorite games, the level of play seemed to be of a higher standard. It was a small'ish game with the roster filled mostly by people that respected the "game", and understood why we were all there. Yes, John was absent, but Punisher and his guys did an outstanding job of handling the event. I also took real joy in working with MSG Mullen, that guy likes to play, and loves to win, while openly sharing his abundant knowledge.
For me, a John Lu event represents a group of players that want what I want out of an event. Props, celebrities, and raffles are just a bonus. Johns idea, and efforts allow this to happen, and I appreciate the fact he feels Ohio has the caliber of players that warrants his interest here, and hope it continues.

Man up! Be responsible for what you get out of an event, anybodies event. Take what you want, and leave the rest. These things are not a perfect science.

[Glaeken]

Violator,

No harm done, bro.
That's the whole purpose of this thread: To generate some dialog about this game - NW3.
The concerns of players is always at the forefront of my thinking and most, if not all, event organizers. So, don't sweat telling it like you see it. That's our strong point - providing multiple view-points.
If we can generate enough interest in having NW3 return to Enon or Ohio, that's my goal.

I know for a fact that the concerns expressed by players are not taken lightly. Your, and everyone's, concerns don't fall on deaf ears.


It's this kind of civil conversation that we're all having here that makes for positive growth for events.

[Grease Man]

Originally posted by Steamer
NW2 for me was one of my favorite games, the level of play seemed to be of a higher standard. It was a small'ish game with the roster filled mostly by people that respected the "game", and understood why we were all there. Yes, John was absent, but Punisher and his guys did an outstanding job of handling the event. I also took real joy in working with MSG Mullen, that guy likes to play, and loves to win, while openly sharing his abundant knowledge.
For me, a John Lu event represents a group of players that want what I want out of an event. Props, celebrities, and raffles are just a bonus. Johns idea, and efforts allow this to happen, and I appreciate the fact he feels Ohio has the caliber of players that warrants his interest here, and hope it continues.

Man up! Be responsible for what you get out of an event, anybodies event. Take what you want, and leave the rest. These things are not a perfect science.


I agree with that all the way. I liked NW2 because of all the people that played, it was a really good group, both sides. For instance between games eveyone from both sides was together talking about the missions and so on. It was just fun.

[theblackfox]

I got into Airsoft on a large scale at the end of last season. In doing this I was left to hear about all the stories from Irene, Safari Strike, DH, ect ect. So maybe I’m not as jaded as some of the older guys around here (no offense) or something, but NW sounds like a kickass event regardless or who is hosting and what kind of retired American hero’s are commanding us. Maybe I’m just too idealistic but IMO Any Airsoft is good Airsoft. Honestly have any of you ever had a time (save for a serious bodily injury) when you got done playing at any time and thought "that sucked..". You get to be with friends, (in some cases family) meet new people, share information, and best of all shoot at each other. To me that’s the best day there is.

I can see where both sides are coming from and I believe that if everyone gives good feedback, and we can work out complaints and what-not with john, that this will be a great event.


All this being said I'm down to play whenever wherever.

[CAR15A2]

I will be at NWIII. NWII was one of the best times I've ever had at an airsoft game.

I did not go to NWI because I saw no point in paying that much for Enon, but after attending NWII I wished that I HAD gone to NWI.

I can understand if someone doesn't want to pay more than they usually do to play at Enon, but there really is a major difference between a John Lu event and other local events. What I don't understand is people that constantly complain about the high price of an event, then go to the event, and then complain about it afterwards. If the game is not for you, don't go.

I didn't go to NWI because I did not think it was worth it. That was my free choice. I did not post anything about it or discuss it with anyone. It was really was none of my business. I'm glad I went to NWII and I'm looking forward to NWIII.

[Spook]

Events like OPNW keep this area on the map when it comes to Airsoft.

When I was heavily involved in model railroading (in my 'fat' days, LOL)
each time a manufacturer would produce a new locomotive, car, building kit or accessory, it would be graded by the number of "bell and whistles" it had. Operating this and that, steam, sound, etc etc. People didn't mind that a boxcar cost $30 if it had brake rigging underneath, scale wheels, sliding doors with scale sliders and so forth and so on. A steam loco with appropriate sound hit the $400 mark as technology allowed more doo-dads and gee-gaws, BUT GUYS APPRECIATED THAT AND SHELLED OUT THE BUCKS.

Airsoft is much the same way. We appreciate the bell and whistles and come to expect MORE of them with each ensuing product. The squawking chickens were hilarious and added a bit of levity to the otherwise stark background of war. With field improvements and such, and more room, OPNW makes for a great beginner operation for someone just getting involved in more than local games.

I can understand the whole thing about seeing the same scenario a second time. IF it had to be done because John was ill and a new scenario couldn't be devised, perhaps mixing the order of events would have been an alternative, but that is water under the bridge because it's over now.

I see this as a chance to keep this area on the map for MILSIM Airsoft. If time and money allow, I hope to be there. As an Irene/LC vet, I get the discount, but even so.

[john]

i have never been to a lu event. i hear good things.

perhaps he is in a uniquly poor position to build on nw because he is not in ohio.

take agresssive sports. they consistently provide a 50 dollar event that has now grown to include 2 trucks with custom torrets and machineguns/ 2 motorcycles with side cars./ rpg and kick *** places to play. but they are local to their ao.

i have not doubt that everyone wants nw to be kick *** and they surely want to attend a kick *** event. no point in finding peoples opinions disrespectful if you ask them for them.

increase the amount of players able to attend nw to off set the costs of customer satisfaction.

increase supply to lower per unit cost of production. lowering the cost to the consumer and increasing demand.

buy 2 700 dollar trucks 4 mortar guns. add some milsim aspects to the game. prisoners/complex meds/ objectives.

fake pvc artillery or rockets is inexpensive.

i don't think people want much more than that.

actually speaking with the ohio community will go along way in my opinion. it does noone any good if the people asking the official questions cant answer any back.

i don't blame people for not thinking the work will be done if the guy isn't available.

like i said this is not an educated perpective from the stance that i have not been to a lu game. i will say it is obvious he is at an economic disadvantage compared to organizers locally.

there are however places someone like john lu can get we can't. the national guard base in ravenna has training there all the time. i am sure col whomever can drop a line. if not the props will appease most i am sure. i would be more compelled to come. i am interested now having never attended one of his games.

hope i help
H

[s34nsp3ch7]

Put me down as THE Contractor haha jp...But seriously... Tally me up kthx

EDIT: I stand corrected thankye' I havnt been around long enough to know.

[Violator]

Finally a contractor role? Team TAC, amongst others, often uses the contractor role in their events.

[Deltaops]

I heard all about the John Lu events and I would definitely be interested in attending as well as several of the guys I play with would be as well!

[DarkPanther176]

Now that I have a new job where I will have the weekends off, I can say that you can count me in on this event.

[Spades]

op nw sounds like it would be great!! when it gets organized(in ohio, hopefully) i will be there indefinitely! i have just gotten into airsoft less than a year ago, so was not able to attend opnw2, so i don't care much if it is the same as last year, i will still enjoy it very much!

[Snake Eyes]

I highly doubt if it will be the "same" as last year. As other Strikers have mentioned, the field has been upgraded quite a bit. I know I will definitely be there to support this game!

[nextmayor]

John Lu posted this info re OPNW 3:

Troops,

Tentatively we are looking at Aug. 11~13, 2006 weekend featuring 3 COs.....

Col. Longgrear commanding E CO

MSG Mullen commanding F CO

potentially Delta Force Maj. "Tom" commanding CONTRACTORS (limited to 30 men)

Sound off here, let me know what you boys think!!

Lionclaws

[xray]

My team and I have enjoyed both northern winds. It's a great field and to work with any of the CO's at the event is an honor. We need to keep this event in Ohio. To lose this event to another location would be a shame. There isn't many Lion Claws events to go around, we need to contact John Lu and tell him that this event needs to stay in Ohio. It's on us to keep this thing here. Teams that haven't been there you're missing out on a great event. This will be my third Northern Wind, I wouldn't miss it for the world!

[john]

codename thunder is that same weekend.

[Shogun]

Sounds good, I should be there!

[Snake Eyes]

John just posted this on the lionclaws forum:

Spread the WORD....it is official....a PJ from Honor The Fallen (www.honorthefallen.org) will join OPNW as the CONTRACTOR Force.

PJs started Honor The Fallen in the memory of late PJ Jason Cunningham who gave his to save others atop that snowy mountain in Afghanistan a couple of years ago....read up on "Robert's Ridge" which was also a NBC or CBS special this past Sunday............

I also ordered several crashed vehicles to decorate the lower part of the field

Let's get ready to rock Springfield!!!

Lionclaws

[Tanker671]

when is it just woundering? it sounds cool

[output01x]

Originally posted by nextmayor
John Lu posted this info re OPNW 3:



quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Troops,

Tentatively we are looking at Aug. 11~13, 2006 weekend featuring 3 COs.....

[Tanker671]

ok thx:D

[Darkstar]

I have not been able to attend either NW1 or NW2 due to work conflicts and personal lack of interest. I've played at Springfield several times in the past and while it's a relatively good field, it lacks a lot of things that I think would help it to stand out. Keep in mind that it's been over a year since I was there last so if there are new structures on the field, etc, please forgive my ignorance.

Cost for games is never as much as a factor as convenience, location and how unique the field is. If a game is $15 bucks or $150, it doesn't matter. If I want to go to a game, I'll go regardless of cost. I'm an event organizer myself and understand that there are inherent costs in providing good events, but I can't say I personally know the costs involved in putting together a multi-day event like this. If $80 bucks is justifiable, then that's fine with me.

I also know that there are many people who make of the airsoft community from newbies to serious mil-simmers when it comes to airsoft recreation. There are people who want mud in their faces and people who want a much more fun/laid-back experience too. I'm probably one of the more laid back people. I go out to games to host and have fun, and play when I can. I want to go to a game, have fun, and then get back to my normal life as quickly as possible.

While the premise of all the John Lu games is definitely cool, I don't ever see myself going to a three day event at Springfield. I just don't get that kind of time very often to spend 3 days away from home. I'd be all over a single day event though, but I think $80 bucks would be a bit steel for a single day. I'd be much more willing to pay $50 dollars for a single day event (or a single day of play) than I would be to pay more for a multi-day event. I'm just not going to stick around for all three days.

That's my three cents.

Darkstar out.

[Snake Eyes]

The Springfield field can definitely be demanding on people!:) Being one of the most topographically interesting field in the area (NO other field that I know of has the valleys, waterfalls, cliffs, and rivers that Springfield has), it can be tough physically to play there for more than a day, and your body will definitely feel it a few days after;) . Definitely a workout and not for the faint of heart:D .

The gameplay (as far as I know from last year and the plans for this year) is only on Saturday and Sunday, just like the Blind Fury series, with Friday being registration.

[HardLock]

You can say that again Snake! I've been all over that field for the past 3 years and today I STILL got lost! The vegetation is so thick, the field changes every month/year. :p

[Fox]

Alot of the 08th will be there.

Including me.

[gertrude]

I'm going to tentatively say that I'll go. I probably won't be there for all three days, seeing as how Columbus is close enough to make it worthwhile sleeping there... but more of an incentive would be a lower price ($100 for a day of play is pretty expensive). Never having been to a John Lu event (Gasp! Horror!), I'm not really sure what I'd be getting myself into. It also depends what The SO does, of course.

But right. Tentative yes.

[strikers_blade]

Originally posted by Darkstar
[B]I have not been able to attend either NW1 or NW2 due to work conflicts and personal lack of interest. I've played at Springfield several times in the past and while it's a relatively good field, it lacks a lot of things that I think would help it to stand out.

Darkstar, are you talking about the field by the church or the field by the barns??? Those 2 fields are VERY different from each others and can't honestly be compared. In fact, the Springfield field (let's call it this way since the field by the church is not available anymore) has nothing to be compared with in Ohio and from my own experience, I only know one field that can match his challenge. Unfortunately, that field is thousands miles away and at 5000ft altitude.

As some of you said, Springfield is definitely not for lay-back players. With all the creeks, ponds, hills, rocks, flat areas, if you play a milsim event there, you will end up tired long time before running out of ammos, which is quite the opposite with the other fields so far. the closest field I could compare with is the black aurora" field, which offered very interesting challenge.

[clinkman]

I couldn't agree more with Steamer and others above...

Northern Wind II last year was a personal favorite of mine. The play was outstanding, and I really liked the field with the varied terrain it offers and the trails throughout. The teams and players there were for the most part outstanding as well, and there were many many great battles. The field, play, teams, and leadership made the drive up there more than worthwhile for me, and hopefully I will be able to do it again this year.

I"m sure when you are able to play on a field of this caliber on a regular basis it might tend to get "old" to you, but you all in Ohio are very lucky to have such a location to play. Despite what you might think, such locations are the exception in most places, not the rule. That much land with that kind of great natural terrain that airsoft is allowed on is just not that common most places. I sincerely hope that Northern Wind III will take place there, and continue each year in Ohio.

[Lt. Sexpanther]

I don't know if any one has said this, but I think the worst thing about this event is that they're advertising it on the basis that they have a bunch of ex military guys. Woopdy freakin doo! I don't care. I don't need some military guy showing up and ruining what would have probably been otherwise fun and inexpensive. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure these guys are good, but we don't need them. There are plenty of veterens around here that we don't need to pay or put up in hotels or whatever you guys are doing with them. Then another issue, why is this event being organized in California? Why can't someone over here organize it and cut down on costs?

[nextmayor]

Originally posted by Lt. Sexpanther
I don't know if any one has said this, but I think the worst thing about this event is that they're advertising it on the basis that they have a bunch of ex military guys. Woopdy freakin doo! I don't care. I don't need some military guy showing up and ruining what would have probably been otherwise fun and inexpensive

It's not really about the CO / vets. As you said there are alot already playing here in Ohio. However, I can tell you've never worked with Msgt. Mullen. This guy is very fun to be around a real leader, who is willing to share his knowledge and get to know the guys at the event. I can't see how anyone could say that Msgt. Mullen, Col Longgrear, or Col. McKnight would ruin an event.

The big thing about games like this (for me) is getting to know player from around the country. Last year I met a bunch of guys from VA. Since then we've played together at every event we've both attended. Local games just don't seem to bring in the the same players from as wide of a location. That's not important to everyone, but I presonally enjoy it.

Originally posted by Lt. Sexpanther
Then another issue, why is this event being organized in California? Why can't someone over here organize it and cut down on costs?

IMO, players are getting spoiled by the number of cheap events put on in Ohio. We're talking about $80 for a two day event. Pretty much what OPSS 2 and OPBF 3 are costing for the actual event. John Lu puts a lot of effort into his events and they are done proffessionally. If you want a cheaper game, there are pleanty of other events offered in Ohio.

[Snake Eyes]

Very well said Nextmayor!

[CAR15A2]

The bottom line is, if the event is not for you, don't come. Its really as simple as that.

There are a wide variety of airsoft games avalable in Ohio and neighboring states. These games are aimed at different types of players, something for everyone.

A lot of us WANT events like the ones John Lu provides. I'm sure that someone is organizing the kind of events you like, go to those and don't criticize us for going to the events we want or the organizers that put then together.

If you can't find games that you like, organize your own.

[xray]

Well said gentlemen! I have one more thing to add, if it wasn't for the vets would we even have milsims? After all who should be running these types of games than the men who were really there.

[nextmayor]

Originally posted by xray
Well said gentlemen! I have one more thing to add, if it wasn't for the vets would we even have milsims? After all who should be running these types of games than the men who were really there.

That coming from someone who I THINK was actually in the Army too.

[Miyagi]

Well said CAR,NM and brother xray.
It is a honor and priviledge to play with these "ex-military" guys. Shaking their hands and playing airsoft with these "legendary" people is another highlight.
John Lu's events are pretty impressive. IF YOU GO, you will remember it for a long time.

[theblackfox]

I have enough fun playing with Miyagi (being legendary and all) :p. Anyway have their been anymore updates on NW? I mean we're doing all this talking but I see nothing really happening, not pointing fingers just curious.

[strikers_blade]

Blackfox,

There are a lot of things going on about NW3. the only thing is nothing is being public yet. Main reason for this is John got few bad experiences in the past and he want to make sure everything will be confirmed before starting the registrations and thing like that. As far as I know, his website administrator is on vacation this week and this why nothing has been said yet. Meaning expect major updates about this event in the coming days/week.....

[Miyagi]

BF, only reason why I am "legendary" is that I wore a bomb suit that fits a normal size man. They dont make suits to fit a midget. Most military gear is for the "non vertically challenged" people. You ever see a soldier with his pants rolled up to his knees because they issued him a large extra long pair of bdu pants? If not, I will show you pics!!!!!!
Dont laugh............it aint funny!!!!!!:D

[xray]

That's a must see! I actually watched MSGT. Mullen at victory pond, giving a hand to hand combat demonstration at the "RANGER SHOW". I also seen alot of the other capabilities of the 75th. Coolest thing I've ever seen, especially for an pvt in the august of '94.

[xray]

Another very special reason for you folks to go is Col Longrear. "Col Longrear is a legend" -Msgt Mullen, NWI. The man has a book with his experiences and the military channel also does a story about him and the Ateam that was over run by NVA and VC forces. I've talked to him at both OP's and seen him in action his rep. proceeds him.

[clinkman]

Yes, excellent book on Col. Longgreer's experiences in that battle, called "Night of the Silver Stars".

[nextmayor]

Just got an email from John Lu, OPNW 3 is a go. Here are the details.

Date: Aug 11-13
Location: Springfield / Enon, Ohio (Strikers Field)
Price: $90
CO's: ECHO - USA SF Col. Paul Longgrear, FOX - USA R Msg. “Mad Max” Mullen, CONTRACTORS - USAF PJ Tim Ryan
Uniforms: ECHO - US green tiger stripe, FOX - US woodland, CONTRACTORS - PMC Look
Registration Deadline: 7/15/06
Payment Deadline: 7/20/06

Team registration is now open, contact John Lu for additional details, bestofusamkt@aol.com.

TAC's already registered with 11 (FOX Company) and looking forward to another OPNW.

[slicknickpro]

thats sweet i have a chance of going now. Also is the waiver/age limit situation the same as a normal springfield event.

[kdogg]

Do you need to be on a team to attend NW3 or can you just go independent?

I know for OP BF3 we didn't need a team but then again, this isn't BF3.

[Hillslam]

Good question.

Looked on the Lion Claws site and didn't see an open registration page so I was wondering this too.

thx in advance

[strikers_blade]

John started the "team" registration via private emails but he will definately open the registration for all players later on...

[gertrude]

Originally posted by TAC Miyagi
BF, only reason why I am "legendary" is that I wore a bomb suit that fits a normal size man. They dont make suits to fit a midget. Most military gear is for the "non vertically challenged" people. You ever see a soldier with his pants rolled up to his knees because they issued him a large extra long pair of bdu pants? If not, I will show you pics!!!!!!
Dont laugh............it aint funny!!!!!!:D

Too late. You know we love ya, Miyagi. ;)

Oh, and I'm going to amend what I said above. I would love to go, but I'm a poor want-to-be-student (which is worse that being a student because students have an excuse to be poor). So, unless I come up with a chunk of change big enough in the next month or so, I'm going to pass.

[nextmayor]

Originally posted by slicknickpro
Also is the waiver/age limit situation the same as a normal springfield event.

Usually Lion Claws events are 16 and up.

Originally posted by kdogg
Do you need to be on a team to attend NW3 or can you just go independent?

No need to be on a team.

Originally posted by Hillslam
Looked on the Lion Claws site and didn't see an open registration page so I was wondering this too.


Team registration open now, individual to start very very soon. Look for it this week.

[Motis]

Im guessing woodland MARPAT doesnt count for FOX team right?
just being safe

[Spook]

Originally posted by Lt. Sexpanther
I don't know if any one has said this, but I think the worst thing about this event is that they're advertising it on the basis that they have a bunch of ex military guys. Woopdy freakin doo! I don't care. I don't need some military guy showing up and ruining what would have probably been otherwise fun and inexpensive. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure these guys are good, but we don't need them. There are plenty of veterens around here that we don't need to pay or put up in hotels or whatever you guys are doing with them. Then another issue, why is this event being organized in California? Why can't someone over here organize it and cut down on costs?

I am gonna tell you what no one else did. I went to your profile to see if I was dealing with some child who didn't know any better. Frankly, I'd rather deal with the child. You're a 20 year college kid who by your own admission spends the majority of his time in a f***ing bottle. Hopefully you're sober when you read this and it will sink in.

Were it not for men like Paul Longgrear, Howard Mullen and the other gentleman, whose name escapes me, your sorry a$$ might not even be here to have all that fun. The fact that you are able to express your half-assed opinion in the manner that you did, disrespecting these men, is due to the fact that THEY and other men like them put their asses on the line for you.

Who the f**k are you, little boy, to say we don't need them? Frankly, the further you stay away from these men, the better off they are not to have to be polluted with the likes of you. It's YOU we don't need, not the veterans. Hell, you can't even SPELL veteran.

You're welcome to your opinion, because this is America. HOW you express it is something else entirely. You make me ill.

[nextmayor]

Originally posted by Motis
Im guessing woodland MARPAT doesnt count for FOX team right?
just being safe

For these events, woodland means woodland.

[Scorpio]

Looks like I will finally get to meet alot of you guys as I am going to attend and bring my team MOB-SIX out for this one.
Can't waite to see yinz there

[nextmayor]

Registration now open for all.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/northern/nw-release.php

[Hillslam]

Question on the following:
You acknowledge the uniform requirement of the unit you chose to be in and will present yourself in authentic outfit (meaning no modern tactical gears nor MP5 or similar modern weapons) on game day.
Is there somewhere to validate what gear is considered "modern" ala a Blackhawk vest or Camelbak hydrator etc. I understand the "no MP5" rule as that's explicit, but what other gun/gear is no-go? Should I just look up what was in general US use in 2002? Or what was specifically in use in Anaconda?

(Not asking about the BDUs as that's spelled out on the enrollment page.)


Thanks in advance.

[nextmayor]

Let me follow up on that line. I've got nothing at all to do with this event other than attending, but that sounds like a "copy and paste" from the Hac Bao (Vietnam Event). I'll get an aswer and post shortly.

[sniper5990]

I was wondering if there is anyway to see a roster of all the registered players. I looked around on the website and could not find it.

[nextmayor]

Hillslam:

Talked to John Lu. He said that language was in error and was just copied and pasted from his Hac Bao (Vietnam) event website. So there are no equipment or weapon limitations for OPNW 3. The only limitation is on your uniform. As a contractor, just look the part.

In regard to a roster, you probably won't see that. I've been to 4 Lion Claws events and don't think I've ever seen the roster as part of the website. Eventually, the roster will be posted in the private company forums, but not much is posted publically.

Additionally, registration for teams opened last week and individual registration just opened yesterday or today, so I doubt there are that many on the roster yet.

From what I've heard, TAC (Cleveland), iP (Columbus), Black Eagles (Marrion), ECHO (Richmond, VA), and the Strikers (Dayton / Cincy) should all be represented at OPNW 3.

[Hillslam]

Thx nextmayor. I don't envy them the job of balancing the teams. I just hope I pick the under-manned team (always more fun). *fingers crossed*

I appreciate the effort anyone puts into hosting events.

Looking forward to it.

[nextmayor]

If you want the under strength team, sounds like you'll want to be one of the contractors. John's limiting that company to something like 30 players.

[Fox]

From the sounds of it, Part of the 08th if not most will be attending.

We're looking at the contractor section, so if you wanna hop up with us Send me a PM or catch me on AIM later tonight :)

[Motis]

thanks for answering my question, but im still confused, is MARPAT a go or no?

[CAR15A2]

marpat is a no

[kwjdklf]

Actually John is debatiing to allow Marpat for Echo at this moment, stay tuned.

[Motis]

thanks for the info punisher

common jonny common <crosses fingers>

[nextmayor]

As Punisher mentioned. John Lu must be reading your mind here's an email I got tonite from him.

spread the word in regional forums and see if guy would prefer USMC Marpat (green) over Tigers? Perhaps more guys have Marpat than Tigers?

While it's not 100% for sure yet, that would mean - FOX CO./US Woodland, ECHO CO/US MARPAT (Green), Contractors/PMC look.

Post your thought on the above possible change. Please only post if you are actually considering attending or have registered.

[Motis]

well that sounds like me, all of team 3D has MARPAT that makes 6 of us, depending on schedules, either all 6 of us could go or 3 of us could go

[Spook]

Why not permit both Tiger AND Marpat? Tiger is not exactly a common uniform anymore. (IE: Echo can wear EITHER).

[nextmayor]

Lion Claws events usually try to keep uniforms as standard as possible on a single company. So I can't see OPNW 3 being any different, but I'll pass it on.

[Motis]

yea spook i could see that working pretty well,
it would be sweet to see everyone in teh same camo pattern on a team but, id rather have more people if it allowed more to be able to come

[CAR15A2]

Marpat will definately lead to more IFF problems, but if most people want it, its fine with me. I'm going to wear woodland either way.

[nextmayor]

FYI, the question at hand is in regard to ECHO Company / Col. Longgrear's command. Right now the required uniform is listed as US Tiger Stripe. John Lu would like to know if there would be increased interest in playing on ECHO company IF green MARPAT would be designated as the official uniform for ECHO Company.

FOX Company / Msg. Mullens command would stay with US Woodland camo.

Finally, please realize that this is just an inquiry and not an official change of uniform YET.

[Triarius]

I'm already on FOX, but since STE goes MARPAT myself and the rest of STE that has yet to sign up might see about going on ECHO.

[nextmayor]

John Lu has decided to allow both US Tiger (green) and MARPAT (green) for use on ECHO Company. Here's John's official announcement:

I've decided to go with both colors for ECHO:

Marpat (green) for Echo Marines

Tigers for Echo SF

Lionclaws

Registration is open and the deadline is coming up.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/northern/nw-home.php

[Motis]

some questions:

are we required to go all three days?
what actually happens on the first day
what happens for the night games? (including what time do they end)
and is sunday just fun open play or is it connected to the whole NW picture?

[Snake Eyes]

Motis, I'll try to answer some of your questions based on my experience with past John Lu events:

are we required to go all three days?
No, you are not, although it is suggested.

what actually happens on the first day?
In the past it has been chrono, registration, and meeting with your team and getting a chance to meet MSG Mullen and Col Longrear, and this year the PJ. Your side (Echo or Fox) will probably do some important planning then too.

what happens for the night games? (including what time do they end)
Not 100% sure about that one. We didn't do a night game last year at NWII, but at Lion Claws and Irene they have gone for a couple of hours. It isn't too late if you are camping. If you are at a hotel, it adds a little bit to your evening, but it isn't bad.

and is sunday just fun open play or is it connected to the whole NW picture?
In the past Sunday has been part of the points.

[nextmayor]

Snake Eyes got it correct.

Originally posted by Motis
are we required to go all three days?

No but why wouldn't you unless your schedule doesn't allow it.

Originally posted by Motis
what actually happens on the first day

Friday is just for registering, chrono'ing, meeting your CO and company, doing some basic planning, and possible walking the field with your CO.

Originally posted by Motis
what happens for the night games? (including what time do they end)

No idea for OPNW 3. All John Lu has said is:

"Night Patrol
Night Patrol is a military exercise in night ambush and counter-ambush led by all three VIPs."

At the last 3 Irene's, the night missions have been to capture the enemy CO's or a simple force on force mission.

FYI, you can see a brief run down on all the missions here:

http://www.oplionclaws.com/northern/nw-scenarios.php

They end before midnight usually, but the times are not really posted at this time.

Originally posted by Motis
and is sunday just fun open play or is it connected to the whole NW picture?

Sunday is part of the event and usually the most complex of the scenarios at Lion Claws events. Here's the scenario for Sunday at OPNW 3. Usually you can get out of the field an on the road by like 2:00 or 3:00, but we'll just have to wait and see.

"Scenario IV: The Hunt for CONTRACTORS
If all goes as planned. Sunday OP will feature 120 men vs. 30...like those odds?"

That's all we know right now.

So t wrap it up, here's a brief run down:

FRIDAY
Registration, Chrono, CO Briefing, Meet / Greet, and possible a field walk thru.

SATURDAY
3 daylight missions and 1 night mission

SUNDAY
1 Long missions and the raffle

[CGBSpender]

I signed up for the event as ECHO but I don't have Tiger Stripe or MARPAT bdu's so I need to go get some. Before I purchase anything, I wanted to make sure I'm looking at bdu's with the right pattern for this event. Do the bdu's that can be found in the image attached qualify as the proper MARPAT for this event? I've also included the link in case the image didn't attach properly.

BDU Link (http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=7324&TabID=1&CatID=35)

Thanks for the reply!

[Motis]

yep thats woodland MARPAT alright

it seems I wont be able to attend the event.. its a shame, Ill see all of you guys a fortune cookie

[Tanker671]

when is the registration for this event going to open up because I know for sure im going. Strikers Field is good anyone who hasnt played there its very big and its mostly trees it runs along train tracks and when you run into the bases you run into buildings ive only seen one the Kreigers one from Blind Fury 3 and it was very easy to defend and it look sweet. but make sure to bring boots no tenis shoes because it gets muddy and slipery. all in all its a sweet field. oh thats the east side discription. :)

[nextmayor]

Originally posted by nextmayor
Registration is open and the deadline is coming up.

http://www.oplionclaws.com/northern/nw-home.php

Originally posted by nextmayor
Date: Aug 11-13
Location: Springfield / Enon, Ohio (Strikers Field)
Price: $90
CO's: ECHO - USA SF Col. Paul Longgrear, FOX - USA R Msg. “Mad Max” Mullen, CONTRACTORS - USAF PJ Tim Ryan
Uniforms: ECHO - US green tiger stripe, FOX - US woodland, CONTRACTORS - PMC Look
Registration Deadline: 7/15/06
Payment Deadline: 7/20/06

Team registration is now open, contact John Lu for additional details, bestofusamkt@aol.com.

TAC's already registered with 11 (FOX Company) and looking forward to another OPNW.

[Motis]

registration is already closed right?

[nextmayor]

If you write John Lu, he can PROBABLY still get you in. Last I heard there was still room on the Contractor force and ECHO (MARPAT / Tiger Stripe, Green) Company. It's all up to him, but I really think if you're interested in attending that you should write him.

[elmariachi227]

I thought i was signed up under Black Eagles for Fox, but John says they're full, trying to go back and forth, no one happens to have his IM do they?

There is room in Echo and Contractors but...

[Tanker671]

So can you tell me if you can camp there over the three day period?

[Iceman]

Have you read any of the posts on www.oplionclaws.com ? I would suggest that you go to the site and read a little....

[Tanker671]

well I just looked all over the forums but didnt see any info on camping so please tell me :)

[Decoy]

Here:
http://oplionclaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=354

If you havent been to NW before you may not have understood this comment:
If you're not roughing it...


Or here:
http://oplionclaws.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=365

As many of you know there is no water or electricity at the camp site...



There usually is camping at the LC games. It'll be more clear in the player's kit.

[Tanker671]

As gross as it is I can go three days without a shower but Im pretty sure my two batteries will not last me three days so the generators a good idea and ill pitch in a additional amount for it. :D allthough the people im going with might want a shower. also it is a additional 10 dollars to camp right?

[CGBSpender]

Any word on the team head counts? All the indications I've been getting are... unbalanced...

I hope this isn't the case. :-/

[strikers_blade]

CGB, adapt and overcome...numbers mean nothing beside the fact that Echo will have a rich target environment.

[output01x]

Originally posted by strikers_blade
CGB, adapt and overcome...numbers mean nothing beside the fact that Echo will have a rich target environment.
If Echo will have a "rich target environment" then the target environment for us Contractors will be bloody saturated!
:D

[CGBSpender]

Well it's my first event and I'd hate to get anihilated on my first time out because my team was seriously out numbered. Just want to get an idea of what I might be in for so I can prepare.

[Hillslam]

Don't worry, Spender.

We may be outnumbered, but we certainly aren't going to get outVOLUMED. :D

Bring it on.

[CGBSpender]

Originally posted by Hillslam
We may be outnumbered, but we certainly aren't going to get outVOLUMED. :D

Bring it on.

Heh. Sounds like I should get a few more high caps!

[Motis]

Originally posted by Hillslam
Don't worry, Spender.

We may be outnumbered, but we certainly aren't going to get outVOLUMED. :D

Bring it on.

Hillslam was petting his SAW while he said that...


and dont worry spender I garuntee youll be fine, its possible that youll lose, but you personally will not get absolutly destroyed.
youll have many other very experienced players on your team who will help you out and youll have fun, thats how it always works... aslong as your not bringing a super 9 or somthing...

[CGBSpender]

Well, time to start driving. See you all there!